REID: so you know uh you other people have sometimes uh you made parallels between AI and a species uh and thinking about this as starting small like I said let’s go yes um so you know what’s uh how is that as a lens for thinking about AI what are the places in which it’s a good lens what are the places in which it’s a misleading lens uh what’s the way that it should guide kind of the the global thinking for how we’re getting there
MUSTAFA: you know I think um when we have something that is fundamentally new that is like unlike anything we’ve sort of seen before which each new you know sort of wave of Technology really does feel like that I mean if think about how utterly magical and crazy it must have been to have electricity for the first time or even to speak to somebody via a telephone line across the Atlantic I mean it it must just been mind-blowing it adds a completely new mental representation to your worldview of what’s possible so each time that happens we sort of struggle for the right metaphor to relate it to something that we do know um it isn’t ultimately going to be like that thing that we do know but it’s the best that we have before it arrives and I propose this new digital species metaphor just because when you step back and look at the capabilities of these things it’s really the closest collery even though that kind of is raises a lot of things that we don’t want it to be um and I think frames the question of containment um in in the correct way I mean these models will be able to see what you see hear what you hear understand and interact with text you know in real time take actions on your behalf those capabilities are now coming into Vogue and I think you know the the right metaphor the most simple similar alternative that we’ve got is is the species and that comes with I think a helpful frame for thinking about what we don’t want it to be as well
REID: and and what would you say would be on the species the one thing that it’s really important that we do and the one thing that’s really important that we try not to do in order to guide into digital species as as we’re and by the way I recommend mustafa’s book The Coming wave…